How do I gain loyal students from the first lesson?

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    Bronwyn Conlon

    These are great suggestions, but honestly sometimes the student just won't respond before that first class...! I literally had my very first Conversation Practice lesson today and messaged the student twice in the preceding days to try and get some more information about his goals, level, etc and I got nothing back from him! So it was just a case of launching the call today and hoping for the best...! Thankfully it went well, but I honestly think that it's possible he simply didn't understand the messages I was sending to ask for more info... In that case, he wouldn't be able to respond to them anyway... 

    I think the clarity before a class begins is going to be a bit of a hit and miss game... Some students will respond, some won't... We'll just have to be prepared either way... Xxx

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    Mika

    I've experienced the same thing as Bronwyn - sometimes students don't reply before the class. Even if there is a response, a lot of students only superficially fill out the contact form (it's still useful for me to gauge somethings about a student) so the first lesson is always just a getting-to-know-them/ breaking-the-ice kind of conversation. I've found that people open up more about their needs and desires with the language learning journey during the conversation, as opposed to, through messages. 

    The trial lesson option is a good option. If a student doesn't have any trial lessons left, I still make sure that their first lesson with me is a 30-minute lesson. If they book an hour, for example, I decline the request and send them a message with the reason. Most students immediately book a 30-minute lesson instead. 

    I 100% think that a 30-minute conversation is better than a pre-planned lesson. But that may be because that is what works for me and my students.

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    Guyomar

    The advice doesn't match up to my experience. Usually, when a new student books a lesson, they don't send me any message at all. In the past, I followed up, asking them about their experience with the language, their goals --- and often got no response at all. It's been my experience that students do NOT see it as going the extra mile, don't really appreciate it and would prefer just to spend 5 minutes of the first meeting talking about these things. I would prefer to know more about the student ahead of time because it helps me prepare better, but it seems that most students don't feel a need to communicate their needs ahead of time.

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    Leslie

    It would be nice if students had unlimited trials. Teachers set the trial prices anyway so it doesn't make much sense to limit it to only three. A limit to one per teacher would make more sense. 

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    Laurie S

    Leslie - 100% agree. 

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    Filippo Pistore

    Completely agree with Leslie

    It would make sense for students to have unlimited trials, limited to one per teacher.

    The purpose of a trial lesson should be to see if there is a good chemistry between a specific teacher and the student.

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    Eunice Ruiz

    Very good article. I have always done these steps, both in live classes in the schools where I worked before, and now in Italki, because it is very important to know in advance what a student's needs are. This is very professional.


    I want to ask something important to ITALKI STAFF:
    Why do teachers no longer have access to the full profile of students? Knowing your approximate age and knowing about your experiences in general will help us know what kind of people we are dealing with. Because just as they want and have the right to know something about their future teachers or tutors of the language they learn, it helps them to be able to choose with what kind of person they want to practice their Spanish, we will not be blind either, guessing who we will teach for the first time .
    Hopefully this comment and question, be considered by you, please.
    Thank you

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    Eunice Ruiz

    I want to ask something important to ITALKI STAFF:
    Why do teachers no longer have access to the full profile of students? Knowing your approximate age and knowing about your experiences in general will help us know what kind of people we are dealing with. Because just as they want and have the right to know something about their future teachers or tutors of the language they learn, it helps them to be able to choose with what kind of person they want to practice their Spanish, we will not be blind either, guessing who we will teach for the first time .
    Hopefully this comment and question, be considered by you, please.
    Thank you

     

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    Dann Connery

    i am completly agree.

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    Pete J

    Project experience and certainty but if there happens to be a tricky question which you cannot answer immediately - eg: a particular rule on which prepositions in certain situations in English - don't be afraid to admit you're not immediately sure but will clarify and let the student know next time. The student will be accepting of that as long as you deliver on the promise.

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    Majid Alqassim

    These are really insightful. thanks,

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    Simone Wentzel

    Super good points.  On the fence of the limited trial lessons however when I say that I know us as teachers need to step it up and make it worth the student' time and money.

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    Ashton Gray

    In my point of view;

    It all depends on the communication of the student and the teacher. 

    I have have noticed some students are more private with what their goals and motivations.

    Before the session or even during the lesson.

    I suggest that Italki makes the students chose at least 3 areas of interest (or hashtags or topics) prior to the meeting - in this way, before the session you can have material relevant to the student.

    Otherwise you can go into a meeting blind.

    I think this will save some trouble and save time if a student and teacher are not compatible.

    I hope this helps.

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    Ambiorix Encarnacion

    It has happened to me that they don't reply back; however, I try to look at their profile and see their level or if they have received classes already, that can make an idea about the student. When I meet the student, I make them talk about them; I lead them to use some structures of the language in those first 10 minutes and see where the student has some weakness that they have to work. From there I can build a lesson and it has usually worked really well. 

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    Craig Feris

    I have a simple system that has worked very well for me. I have a set of introduction questions about general topics to allow for personalisation. Each question has a common grammatical error, one example is 'Do you enjoy cook food?'. I ask students to correct the sentence and afterwards, they can answer it. This enables me to gauge their grammar knowledge in their ability to correct the sentence, assess their vocabulary knowledge as they answer the question, and also get to know them in a very personal sense which gives me material for upcoming lessons. 

    I do ask about their goals of course, and the questions are tied into that. The activity feels a lot more natural and it shows that you are interested in the students and you have the opportunity to showcase your skills as a teacher. 

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    Selena

    I just started my journey here as an Spanish and English teacher, and even tho knowing that im not a Native American speaker  I have gotten students for both languages, and for the time that im here I had the chance too meet up with them again, and when I ask why they just tell me that its because of how confortable they felt with me since day one.

    with my Spanish classes I have gotten the chance to engage the students with the language because in our trial lesson I always share some interesting facts about any Spanish word or slag that  can be used everywhere they travel, and that have worked for me, specially with the beginners. With my Spanish students with an advanced level I always ask them for things that they interest and I get from wherever to get an interesting fact, because been a teacher is not just knowing the language, is sharing knowledge, so we should always be prepared for what might come tomorrow and know how can we make them get involved in the language with us. obviously smile! smile all the time, even tho you don't know what else to say :) 

    i don't know if this might be useful for you, but this have worked good for me :) 

    Saludos :)

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    Ruth Martha Heckel

    Thanks  italki,

    I think the contact teacher form  would be very useful. To know the learning requirment and language proficiency of the student will make the first lesson more efficient to save time and money. 

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    Bogdan

    great review!

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    Ismail Wahyudi

    it's very useful

     

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    MarcDonald Marcellus

    Avec un cours d'essai c'est comme une introduction pour montrer à mon étudiant différents méthodes je vais utiliser.

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    Elena Grebenyuk

    This is a very useful article, although, I agree with the comments above - most of the students don't reply before the lessons or are superficial in answer, which doesn't really help in lesson prep.

    So normally I use our trial lesson to get to know needs&goals of the students and to give them something useful, i.e. conversational practice, curiosities about the culture and mentality etc, depending on their language level a well.

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    Sharon R EU (Edited )

     Most students never reply while others come to a cheaper trial lesson with the intent of never taking further lessons but wanting to have something done for them now. Some want to practice for a job interview they have tomorrow or have a document checked. They are just using them as cheap lessons.  Others if you ask them before about their level incorrectly guess their level and want something quite different from what they state. Others may state they need say grammar practice but once you hear them you know what they need is vocab practice etc.  I think it is quite important to spend time finding out what they want by speaking with them before presenting them with a lesson as the student often doesn't know what they need and are basing their answers of guesses or previous experiences.   Doesn't a doctor spend time discussing what is wrong with the patient before deciding on treatment?  Even a hairdresser checks out your hair and makes suggestions rather than just basing what they are doing on the booking information.   

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